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	<title>Comments on: More Proposition 8 Attacks and a Deep Breath</title>
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	<description>an unseemly mix of politics and Mormonism</description>
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		<title>By: Sad15</title>
		<link>http://asoftanswer.com/2008/10/22/more-proposition-8-attacks-and-a-deep-breath/comment-page-1/#comment-7673</link>
		<dc:creator>Sad15</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 07:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Muslim minority population reaches over a mere 2%, jihad begins. ,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Muslim minority population reaches over a mere 2%, jihad begins. ,</p>
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		<title>By: Miss48</title>
		<link>http://asoftanswer.com/2008/10/22/more-proposition-8-attacks-and-a-deep-breath/comment-page-1/#comment-7425</link>
		<dc:creator>Miss48</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I still fail to understand is a huge flurry at the end. ,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I still fail to understand is a huge flurry at the end. ,</p>
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		<title>By: Chris H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;gay have more rights than straights.&quot;

Sorry, but that might be the dumbest thing I have read in a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;gay have more rights than straights.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry, but that might be the dumbest thing I have read in a while.</p>
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		<title>By: Brock  Carlson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brock  Carlson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess marcus is right about the second class citizens, gay have more rights than straights. that means the straights are the second class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess marcus is right about the second class citizens, gay have more rights than straights. that means the straights are the second class.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter,

A gay couple and a drug addict. nice perjorative conflation there.  Was that intentional? Do you equate gays with drug addicts?   Aside from a corrupt and nonsensical apples and oranges example, that&#039;s just plain sick and mean-spirited. 

As to second class citizenship, the term does apply since in effect law-abiding gays and non-gays are accorded different rights.  You and I have a special right to marry, gay couples don&#039;t. Can&#039;t get any plainer than that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter,</p>
<p>A gay couple and a drug addict. nice perjorative conflation there.  Was that intentional? Do you equate gays with drug addicts?   Aside from a corrupt and nonsensical apples and oranges example, that&#8217;s just plain sick and mean-spirited. </p>
<p>As to second class citizenship, the term does apply since in effect law-abiding gays and non-gays are accorded different rights.  You and I have a special right to marry, gay couples don&#8217;t. Can&#8217;t get any plainer than that.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://asoftanswer.com/2008/10/22/more-proposition-8-attacks-and-a-deep-breath/comment-page-1/#comment-5312</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, prop 8 does not create a second class of citizens, it only defines the word marriage. All California citizens have the same rights and obligations according to the laws. For example, a drug addict should not be given the right to take drugs just because he is a minority. And we as a people have the obligation to determine what kinds of behaviors are appropriate and good for society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, prop 8 does not create a second class of citizens, it only defines the word marriage. All California citizens have the same rights and obligations according to the laws. For example, a drug addict should not be given the right to take drugs just because he is a minority. And we as a people have the obligation to determine what kinds of behaviors are appropriate and good for society.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 09:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This &quot;new right&quot; stuff is plain political hogwash promulgated by those who have less understanding of the Constitution than the Bible. As citizens of this country maybe you should try to correct that deficiency.

14th Amendment, which California operates under.
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. 

What Pro 8 does is create a second class of citizens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This &#8220;new right&#8221; stuff is plain political hogwash promulgated by those who have less understanding of the Constitution than the Bible. As citizens of this country maybe you should try to correct that deficiency.</p>
<p>14th Amendment, which California operates under.<br />
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. </p>
<p>What Pro 8 does is create a second class of citizens.</p>
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		<title>By: djinn</title>
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		<dc:creator>djinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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&quot;Author: empleh
Date: Oct 24, 03:12pm
Category: Current Events
 

I am a security officer at the Oakland, CA Temple and was in the meeting with the Temple Recorder, Head Engineer, Head of Security, and the engineering department. One of the main points of this meeting was regarding this e-mail and story that has been circulating.
This story is indeed exaggerated and innaccurate. Brother Newport did not receive any notice from anyone in the Temple (Patron or worker) about sisters crying or being upset in any manner. As for the traffic, the off ramp is often congested because of the traffic, the protestors were not responisible for the back up and they were not jumping out in front of vehicles. They were crossing the road back and forth at a walking pace when vehicles were already stopped.
As for police involvement, they were notified of a different matter regarding protestors at an off-ramp and responded immediately.

As for my personal opinion on the matter, I say we should be careful not to be like those no on 8 prostestors by lying or deceiving others into what they are like. That is there number one tool, lying and deceiving about the matter and people they are opposing.

Please be careful with what you pass on. (Official statements are OK.) &quot;

From Cougarboard, fwiw, saying the protest incident didn&#039;t happen.</description>
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&#8220;Author: empleh<br />
Date: Oct 24, 03:12pm<br />
Category: Current Events</p>
<p>I am a security officer at the Oakland, CA Temple and was in the meeting with the Temple Recorder, Head Engineer, Head of Security, and the engineering department. One of the main points of this meeting was regarding this e-mail and story that has been circulating.<br />
This story is indeed exaggerated and innaccurate. Brother Newport did not receive any notice from anyone in the Temple (Patron or worker) about sisters crying or being upset in any manner. As for the traffic, the off ramp is often congested because of the traffic, the protestors were not responisible for the back up and they were not jumping out in front of vehicles. They were crossing the road back and forth at a walking pace when vehicles were already stopped.<br />
As for police involvement, they were notified of a different matter regarding protestors at an off-ramp and responded immediately.</p>
<p>As for my personal opinion on the matter, I say we should be careful not to be like those no on 8 prostestors by lying or deceiving others into what they are like. That is there number one tool, lying and deceiving about the matter and people they are opposing.</p>
<p>Please be careful with what you pass on. (Official statements are OK.) &#8221;</p>
<p>From Cougarboard, fwiw, saying the protest incident didn&#8217;t happen.</p>
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		<title>By: David H. Sundwall</title>
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		<dc:creator>David H. Sundwall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 06:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Heather.

I amended the &quot;possibly bogus&quot; disclaimer slightly with a link to your comment.

I didn&#039;t mean to disparage your post but I do think it&#039;s important to take a single email that gets spread around with at least a grain of salt.

I don&#039;t mean that as an attack on your credibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Heather.</p>
<p>I amended the &#8220;possibly bogus&#8221; disclaimer slightly with a link to your comment.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t mean to disparage your post but I do think it&#8217;s important to take a single email that gets spread around with at least a grain of salt.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mean that as an attack on your credibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 04:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am the original poster of the story you referenced about the woman (Susanne) being harassed while going to her Stake Temple Night. When you stated that it was possibly bogus, I did everything in my power to find out. The moderator of the email group she originally posted her story on has confirmed the validity. See the comments on the post at http://preservingmarriage.blogspot.com/2008/10/one-side-is-right-and-one-side-is-wrong.html

I just hate seeing a link to our site with the phrase &quot;possibly bogus&quot; :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am the original poster of the story you referenced about the woman (Susanne) being harassed while going to her Stake Temple Night. When you stated that it was possibly bogus, I did everything in my power to find out. The moderator of the email group she originally posted her story on has confirmed the validity. See the comments on the post at <a href="http://preservingmarriage.blogspot.com/2008/10/one-side-is-right-and-one-side-is-wrong.html" rel="nofollow">http://preservingmarriage.blogspot.com/2008/10/one-side-is-right-and-one-side-is-wrong.html</a></p>
<p>I just hate seeing a link to our site with the phrase &#8220;possibly bogus&#8221; <img src='http://asoftanswer.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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