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	<title>Comments on: Mormon Church Responds to Proposition 8 Passage</title>
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		<title>By: Fireman452</title>
		<link>http://asoftanswer.com/2008/11/05/mormon-church-responds-to-proposition-8-passage/comment-page-1/#comment-7380</link>
		<dc:creator>Fireman452</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 16:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is depressing that more and more the world is turning to theocracy to make decisions.  Alexander Pope said it best - &quot;Presume not God to scan - the proper study of mankind is Man.&quot;  As a nationally recognized scientist I wish I could have the belief and faith that others have, but I am now convinced that the truth is no supreme being is out there shepherding this blue orb in the cosmos.  I do not claim to understand how it all began, but this I know.  Research as shown as populations grow and overcrowding becomes a problem, social structure moves rapidly away from rational thinking and becomes very irrational.  The populations move towards superstition and the fringe.  There is no room for any kind of understanding of those that do not fit the norm, because these theocracies become very strict and require that everyone adheres to their beliefs.  The bottom line, populations need to place controls on population for its own self preservation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is depressing that more and more the world is turning to theocracy to make decisions.  Alexander Pope said it best &#8211; &#8220;Presume not God to scan &#8211; the proper study of mankind is Man.&#8221;  As a nationally recognized scientist I wish I could have the belief and faith that others have, but I am now convinced that the truth is no supreme being is out there shepherding this blue orb in the cosmos.  I do not claim to understand how it all began, but this I know.  Research as shown as populations grow and overcrowding becomes a problem, social structure moves rapidly away from rational thinking and becomes very irrational.  The populations move towards superstition and the fringe.  There is no room for any kind of understanding of those that do not fit the norm, because these theocracies become very strict and require that everyone adheres to their beliefs.  The bottom line, populations need to place controls on population for its own self preservation.</p>
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		<title>By: asdfjkl;</title>
		<link>http://asoftanswer.com/2008/11/05/mormon-church-responds-to-proposition-8-passage/comment-page-1/#comment-7301</link>
		<dc:creator>asdfjkl;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>one last comment before i go back to living in the real world, i heard this comment once and it makes so much sense. If you are against gay marriage, don&#039;t marry one! Do you really think that a gay american is going to sneak in your room at night and secretly marry you!? The mormon church should have been on trial with the flds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one last comment before i go back to living in the real world, i heard this comment once and it makes so much sense. If you are against gay marriage, don&#8217;t marry one! Do you really think that a gay american is going to sneak in your room at night and secretly marry you!? The mormon church should have been on trial with the flds.</p>
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		<title>By: asdfjkl;</title>
		<link>http://asoftanswer.com/2008/11/05/mormon-church-responds-to-proposition-8-passage/comment-page-1/#comment-7300</link>
		<dc:creator>asdfjkl;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chuck, you speak truth! Proud to be an American! :)</description>
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		<title>By: asdfjkl;</title>
		<link>http://asoftanswer.com/2008/11/05/mormon-church-responds-to-proposition-8-passage/comment-page-1/#comment-7299</link>
		<dc:creator>asdfjkl;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lets go back to separation of church and state. Mormons, don&#039;t forget that although you think speaking your mind in political matters is well within your rights, you are suggesting that religion should be involved in government. You might think differently if we get a president who decides that the mormon church should be treated like waco, hildale, el dorado, short creek etc. so, the simple phrase &quot;think before you speak&quot; should be addressed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lets go back to separation of church and state. Mormons, don&#8217;t forget that although you think speaking your mind in political matters is well within your rights, you are suggesting that religion should be involved in government. You might think differently if we get a president who decides that the mormon church should be treated like waco, hildale, el dorado, short creek etc. so, the simple phrase &#8220;think before you speak&#8221; should be addressed.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://asoftanswer.com/2008/11/05/mormon-church-responds-to-proposition-8-passage/comment-page-1/#comment-5432</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 03:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand not being for samesex marriage, but what the Mormons don&#039;t seem to understand for some odd reason... maybe they choose not to, but here are the real FACTS.     For the first time in America&#039;s history we VOTED to TAKE AWAY the RIGHTS of AMERICAN citizens.    And before you start with that old... no rights were taken.... you&#039;re wrong.   Marriage in California at the time for same sex couples was LEGAL, regardless to how, it was still LEGAL, the ballot was clear, it said basically... if you vote yes, YOUR YES vote indicated you wanted these rights removed from Gay couples.   Yes, very shameful.    Now for me, this was not a &quot;gay&quot; issue, but about being an American.    At a time we&#039;re fighting two wars to protect our freedoms and the Mormon church has the nerve...  I&#039;m telling you.    Saddam threatens Americas rights and we go to WAR, the Mormon church does it and we do nothing. (???)   I don&#039;t think so.

Regardless to how you feel about samesex marriage, it&#039;s wrong to vote and take away rights from American Citizens.    And I personally thought it was ILLEGAL to do this.    And if it is... by LAW, we need to go after these people that have done this.  It&#039;s wrong and immoral.    These people should be in PRISION.    It is not acceptable to take away rights from any AMERICAN... and because these people are &quot;Gay&quot; it should be considered a hate crime too.   It&#039;s wrong to take away rights from American Citizens!!!  WRONG WRONG WRONG.   How can anyone not understand this?  

Sure, I understand freedom of speech and to have ones faith, but when you go after another Americans rights and you try to take them away... YOU should be in PRISON!!!  Like any other terrorist.   It&#039;s not acceptable to go after the rights of another American.  They&#039;re is no justification for doing such.     Who&#039;s next?   Should we ban Mexicans from marrying blacks?  Where does it stop?    It&#039;s wrong to vote on social issues and flat out immoral and evil to go after the rights of an American citizen!!!

I&#039;m serious...  I think we should go after these people   Mormons are accomplished LIARS!    Look at the television spots... the lies were incredible... they exploited the truth and children.   Heck, many thought they were voting to keep the teaching of homosexuality out of the schools and this had nothing to do with that.

I will boycott Utah, Marriott, Overstock.com, American Express and anyone else I hear of doing business with the Mormon Church.     In my mind, it would be like giving money to the Nazi&#039;s or the Taliban.     It is wrong!!

Where will you stand in the future on this issue?    

What the Mormon church did was wrong and the government should go after them like we would any other terrorist group.     Speaking of... Can you imagine churches wanting to define words for us???  Like marriage???   Why don&#039;t I gather signatures to define the word Mormon?   We could define them as a terrorist group and then insist the government go after them for what they did to Gay community in California.    When you take a single right away from any American, you take it from all Americans.   Speaking of...  when the right was taken away...  1500 federal rights went away too.   Anyone that voted YES to take away rights from Californians should have to answer to the government.   We made Saddam answer..  and the taliban... what makes the Mormons any different??   Just American Terrorist....  similar to the taliban or the nazis.      Because let&#039;s face it... as nice as the Mormons would like you to think they are...  there is NOTHING NICE about taking away rights away from AMERICAN CITIZENS!

And lastly, does the Mormon church care about other churches??  or just theirs?   That alone should say it all, because they&#039;re many mainline churches in America that would happlily marry samesex couples.    I was reading about a church in Pasadena with 4000 members, they&#039;re now being told they can not marry people of the same sex.    Normal Christians should be outragged when the government starts telling our churches who they can or can not marry legally.    It&#039;s shameful and wrong.   Sure, I think the government will step in and do the right thing, as they did in 1967 when the christians didn&#039;t want black people to marry whites... thankfully the government stepped in and  I think this will happen here.  60 million Gay people in American, and another 150 MILLION Gay friendly and becoming friendlier as the years go by... things will change, but we need to deal with things day by day... and we should go after ANYONE that would go after the rights of American Citizens.    And any American, that would  go after the rights of another... should have NO rights at all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand not being for samesex marriage, but what the Mormons don&#8217;t seem to understand for some odd reason&#8230; maybe they choose not to, but here are the real FACTS.     For the first time in America&#8217;s history we VOTED to TAKE AWAY the RIGHTS of AMERICAN citizens.    And before you start with that old&#8230; no rights were taken&#8230;. you&#8217;re wrong.   Marriage in California at the time for same sex couples was LEGAL, regardless to how, it was still LEGAL, the ballot was clear, it said basically&#8230; if you vote yes, YOUR YES vote indicated you wanted these rights removed from Gay couples.   Yes, very shameful.    Now for me, this was not a &#8220;gay&#8221; issue, but about being an American.    At a time we&#8217;re fighting two wars to protect our freedoms and the Mormon church has the nerve&#8230;  I&#8217;m telling you.    Saddam threatens Americas rights and we go to WAR, the Mormon church does it and we do nothing. (???)   I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
<p>Regardless to how you feel about samesex marriage, it&#8217;s wrong to vote and take away rights from American Citizens.    And I personally thought it was ILLEGAL to do this.    And if it is&#8230; by LAW, we need to go after these people that have done this.  It&#8217;s wrong and immoral.    These people should be in PRISION.    It is not acceptable to take away rights from any AMERICAN&#8230; and because these people are &#8220;Gay&#8221; it should be considered a hate crime too.   It&#8217;s wrong to take away rights from American Citizens!!!  WRONG WRONG WRONG.   How can anyone not understand this?  </p>
<p>Sure, I understand freedom of speech and to have ones faith, but when you go after another Americans rights and you try to take them away&#8230; YOU should be in PRISON!!!  Like any other terrorist.   It&#8217;s not acceptable to go after the rights of another American.  They&#8217;re is no justification for doing such.     Who&#8217;s next?   Should we ban Mexicans from marrying blacks?  Where does it stop?    It&#8217;s wrong to vote on social issues and flat out immoral and evil to go after the rights of an American citizen!!!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m serious&#8230;  I think we should go after these people   Mormons are accomplished LIARS!    Look at the television spots&#8230; the lies were incredible&#8230; they exploited the truth and children.   Heck, many thought they were voting to keep the teaching of homosexuality out of the schools and this had nothing to do with that.</p>
<p>I will boycott Utah, Marriott, Overstock.com, American Express and anyone else I hear of doing business with the Mormon Church.     In my mind, it would be like giving money to the Nazi&#8217;s or the Taliban.     It is wrong!!</p>
<p>Where will you stand in the future on this issue?    </p>
<p>What the Mormon church did was wrong and the government should go after them like we would any other terrorist group.     Speaking of&#8230; Can you imagine churches wanting to define words for us???  Like marriage???   Why don&#8217;t I gather signatures to define the word Mormon?   We could define them as a terrorist group and then insist the government go after them for what they did to Gay community in California.    When you take a single right away from any American, you take it from all Americans.   Speaking of&#8230;  when the right was taken away&#8230;  1500 federal rights went away too.   Anyone that voted YES to take away rights from Californians should have to answer to the government.   We made Saddam answer..  and the taliban&#8230; what makes the Mormons any different??   Just American Terrorist&#8230;.  similar to the taliban or the nazis.      Because let&#8217;s face it&#8230; as nice as the Mormons would like you to think they are&#8230;  there is NOTHING NICE about taking away rights away from AMERICAN CITIZENS!</p>
<p>And lastly, does the Mormon church care about other churches??  or just theirs?   That alone should say it all, because they&#8217;re many mainline churches in America that would happlily marry samesex couples.    I was reading about a church in Pasadena with 4000 members, they&#8217;re now being told they can not marry people of the same sex.    Normal Christians should be outragged when the government starts telling our churches who they can or can not marry legally.    It&#8217;s shameful and wrong.   Sure, I think the government will step in and do the right thing, as they did in 1967 when the christians didn&#8217;t want black people to marry whites&#8230; thankfully the government stepped in and  I think this will happen here.  60 million Gay people in American, and another 150 MILLION Gay friendly and becoming friendlier as the years go by&#8230; things will change, but we need to deal with things day by day&#8230; and we should go after ANYONE that would go after the rights of American Citizens.    And any American, that would  go after the rights of another&#8230; should have NO rights at all!</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Howe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan Howe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>libhomo, if you are going to stand by your stated principles, you need to boycott Catholic and many Protestant businesses, as well as Muslim-owned establishments.  Have fun at the four stores you can still patronize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>libhomo, if you are going to stand by your stated principles, you need to boycott Catholic and many Protestant businesses, as well as Muslim-owned establishments.  Have fun at the four stores you can still patronize.</p>
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		<title>By: libhomo</title>
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		<dc:creator>libhomo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 13:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Mormon Church is a racist, sexist, heterosexist, and anti atheist hate group which shares nearly all the same values and agenda with the Ku Klux Klan.  I am boycotting Utah and Mormon owned businesses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Mormon Church is a racist, sexist, heterosexist, and anti atheist hate group which shares nearly all the same values and agenda with the Ku Klux Klan.  I am boycotting Utah and Mormon owned businesses.</p>
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		<title>By: designated conservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>designated conservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops!  Sorry, Gail.  I meant to correct the quote to refer to Dan Weston.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops!  Sorry, Gail.  I meant to correct the quote to refer to Dan Weston.</p>
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		<title>By: designated conservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>designated conservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gail:  &quot;And to be clear, I don’t hate you. I hate your bigoted ignorance....  Enjoy your self-righteous nonjudgmentalism. I think I’ll stick with judgmentalism myself. It’s so much more honest, don’t you think?&quot;

Nice try Gail.  Hate cannot be parsed - if you choose to hate then that is what you do.  One can disagree with, dislike, debate, and even argue about an idea or concept (like &#039;bigoted ignorance&#039;), but when it comes to hate it is only a person or group of people that can be the subject of hate.  

It&#039;s a real bummer that you&#039;ve chosen to let hate into your heart.  Once it&#039;s there, hate tends to crowd out joy, love, and forgiveness - those better parts of our nature that will save us from greater misery if we choose to exercise them.

For more, visit the home of a designated conservative at http://dcon2012.wordpress.com/.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gail:  &#8220;And to be clear, I don’t hate you. I hate your bigoted ignorance&#8230;.  Enjoy your self-righteous nonjudgmentalism. I think I’ll stick with judgmentalism myself. It’s so much more honest, don’t you think?&#8221;</p>
<p>Nice try Gail.  Hate cannot be parsed &#8211; if you choose to hate then that is what you do.  One can disagree with, dislike, debate, and even argue about an idea or concept (like &#8216;bigoted ignorance&#8217;), but when it comes to hate it is only a person or group of people that can be the subject of hate.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a real bummer that you&#8217;ve chosen to let hate into your heart.  Once it&#8217;s there, hate tends to crowd out joy, love, and forgiveness &#8211; those better parts of our nature that will save us from greater misery if we choose to exercise them.</p>
<p>For more, visit the home of a designated conservative at <a href="http://dcon2012.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://dcon2012.wordpress.com/</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Weston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Weston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 06:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Gail,

&lt;i&gt;We don’t want one nation under God to have one more word of God taken away from our country.&lt;/i&gt;

Taken away? Are you kidding? God was &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance#Addition_of_the_words_.22under_God.22&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;added&lt;/a&gt; to the pledge of allegiance over 60 years after it was written.

First proposed by Catholics, the idea went absolutely nowhere until Presbyterians independently adopted the idea half a decade later in a fit of anti-communist hysteria, WASP supremacy, and religious sectarianism. So much for Christian unity! Lucky for them that Eisenhower was also Presbyterian. Talking about mixing Church and State.

And to be clear, I don&#039;t hate you. I hate your bigoted ignorance. Since you forgot to include mandatory loving of hateful oppression in Proposition 8, it looks like you&#039;ll just have to pass another Constitutional Amendment. Maybe you can suppress your own dislike of Mormons long enough to get them to fund that for you too (Can you believe they actually think that you think that they are actually Christian! Don&#039;t worry, I won&#039;t out you. Hate will out soon enough.)

Enjoy your self-righteous nonjudgmentalism. I think I&#039;ll stick with judgmentalism myself. It&#039;s so much more honest, don&#039;t you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Gail,</p>
<p><i>We don’t want one nation under God to have one more word of God taken away from our country.</i></p>
<p>Taken away? Are you kidding? God was <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance#Addition_of_the_words_.22under_God.22" rel="nofollow">added</a> to the pledge of allegiance over 60 years after it was written.</p>
<p>First proposed by Catholics, the idea went absolutely nowhere until Presbyterians independently adopted the idea half a decade later in a fit of anti-communist hysteria, WASP supremacy, and religious sectarianism. So much for Christian unity! Lucky for them that Eisenhower was also Presbyterian. Talking about mixing Church and State.</p>
<p>And to be clear, I don&#8217;t hate you. I hate your bigoted ignorance. Since you forgot to include mandatory loving of hateful oppression in Proposition 8, it looks like you&#8217;ll just have to pass another Constitutional Amendment. Maybe you can suppress your own dislike of Mormons long enough to get them to fund that for you too (Can you believe they actually think that you think that they are actually Christian! Don&#8217;t worry, I won&#8217;t out you. Hate will out soon enough.)</p>
<p>Enjoy your self-righteous nonjudgmentalism. I think I&#8217;ll stick with judgmentalism myself. It&#8217;s so much more honest, don&#8217;t you think?</p>
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