Afternoon links – 13 February 2009

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  1. Dan’s avatar

    The Incredibles as a “conservative” movie?

    a story that celebrates marriage, courage, responsibility, and high achievement.

    Ah, because no liberal wants to celebrate “marriage, courage, responsibility and high achievement.” Once again, conservatives try to claim exclusivity on principles adhered by numerous people not in the conservative blanket. And honestly, ask yourself, David, when did conservatives celebrate responsibility over these past eight years? Any conservative hold Bush responsible?

    Marriage, courage, responsibility and high achievement are not exclusive to conservatives. It continues to sadden me to see the arrogance of the conservative world. Now there is a status that fits conservatives well, arrogance.

  2. David H. Sundwall’s avatar

    Dan –

    You’re certainly right that conservatives don’t own those values and that short blurb may have overstated that. But the film does a great job of skewering the self-esteem curriculum in public schools, trial lawyers, over-intrusive government regulation, and so forth. The alternate opening sequence on the DVD had Elastigirl arguing with some feminists about sacrificing a career for having a family. Not a liberal cause.

    It’s a little desperate but give conservatives some slack. They don’t get a whole lot from Hollywood they can identify with much less feel offended by so we may overreach sometimes.

  3. David B’s avatar

    Actually, i thought the Elastigirl interview bit reflected arguments within feminism, not between feminists (who aren’t nearly monolithic) and conservatives (who aren’t nearly monolithic, some even being ardently feminist).

  4. Dan’s avatar

    David,

    I don’t mind conservatives feelin’ some movie love. What I mind is the constant attempts to grab “family values” and claim them as their own, and try to use those as wedge issues to divide them from the rest of the nation. Frankly, liberal leaning states do far better on key family values, like divorce rates, like childhood education, and health care. Families in liberal leaning states tend to do much better in those categories. I just tire of hearing that family values are better represented by the conservative side of the aisle. In fact, I bet, that if you were able to do a study of this, the conservative side has more husband/fathers who abuse their spouses and children and who cheat on their spouses than the liberal side. I don’t have any factual evidence to back that up, but I would be surprised if it weren’t true.

  5. Scott’s avatar

    Conservative or not, that Frozone was one cool cat.

  6. Chris H.’s avatar

    Dan,

    Chill.

    As for the Incredibles: not sure if the portrayal of the insurance industry was all that conservative.

    National Review did a similar list of conservative songs. They are often stretching to portray the things on the list as actually conservative.

  7. David H. Sundwall’s avatar

    Thanks Chris.

    In the magazine, NR does a better job explaining what they meant by “conservative movie”:

    Once in a blue moon, Hollywood releases a conservative movie, or at least a film that resonates with conservatives in a particular way. . .

    We do not claim that the writers, directors, producers, gaffers, and key grips involved with these films are conservative. We certainly make no such assertion about the actors. Yet the results are indisputable: Conservatives enjoy these films because they are great movies that offer compelling messages about freedom, families, patriotism, traditions, and more.

    They weren’t trying to claim that conservatives owned the movies or the values they represented, just that they resonate with conservatives.

    And my favorite pick which just got an “also-ran” mention is Cinderella Man.

    And Frozone was cool. I hope they get around to doing a sequel.