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	<title>Comments on: Conservative Crank&#8217;s Paranoia of Media&#8217;s Anti-Mormon Bias Is Validated</title>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 20:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An article was just posted on The Salt Lake Tribune&#039;s website that should &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; add any fuel to the fire of those fearing an anti-Mormon bias in the media.  The article--which is entitled &quot;Religious liberty and gay marriage: Is Oaks right? Yes and no; 
Oaks aftermath » There are some real concerns, but they may not be the ones making the headlines&quot; (see http://www.sltrib.com/faith/ci_13611733# )--provides a broader overview of the issues raised in Elder Oak&#039;s speech,  and the related issues of the inherent conflict between civil rights, marriage equality and religious freedom of those on the more conservative end of the spectrum.  Definitely worth a read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An article was just posted on The Salt Lake Tribune&#8217;s website that should <i>not</i> add any fuel to the fire of those fearing an anti-Mormon bias in the media.  The article&#8211;which is entitled &#8220;Religious liberty and gay marriage: Is Oaks right? Yes and no;<br />
Oaks aftermath » There are some real concerns, but they may not be the ones making the headlines&#8221; (see <a href="http://www.sltrib.com/faith/ci_13611733#" rel="nofollow">http://www.sltrib.com/faith/ci_13611733#</a> )&#8211;provides a broader overview of the issues raised in Elder Oak&#8217;s speech,  and the related issues of the inherent conflict between civil rights, marriage equality and religious freedom of those on the more conservative end of the spectrum.  Definitely worth a read.</p>
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		<title>By: John Harvey</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well the basic problem is that Elder Oak&#039;s speech contained the offending line and associated (somewhat specious) argument.  At the most basic level Elder Oak&#039;s premise is that the Freedom of Religion clause should get the Church off the hook for pushing *public policy* which runs directly counter to the Equal Protection Under the Law clause of the Constitution.  Most U.S. citizens probably have few Constitutional issues with the existence of the LDS Church, or even with its members following its doctrine, but when the Church pushes its belief system down other people&#039;s throats by sponsoring laws, which many others feel are unconstitutional, conflict is going to occur.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well the basic problem is that Elder Oak&#8217;s speech contained the offending line and associated (somewhat specious) argument.  At the most basic level Elder Oak&#8217;s premise is that the Freedom of Religion clause should get the Church off the hook for pushing *public policy* which runs directly counter to the Equal Protection Under the Law clause of the Constitution.  Most U.S. citizens probably have few Constitutional issues with the existence of the LDS Church, or even with its members following its doctrine, but when the Church pushes its belief system down other people&#8217;s throats by sponsoring laws, which many others feel are unconstitutional, conflict is going to occur.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 01:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joseph, I can’t and won’t defend what the Fox news producer said on her blog about the Elder Oak&#039;s speech.  News personnel (including news producers) should be reporting--not making--news.  

In interpreting my earlier post, you also stated:

&lt;i&gt;“More likely you mean: `A clever report[er] would look for the most incendiary element of the speech that can then be pulled out of context for writing the newspaper article.  It’s a sure way to generate traffic!”&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, Joseph, as I said earlier, the most newsworthy aspect of Elder Oak&#039;s speech (at least to non-Mormons) was the civil-rights analogy.  Elder Oak clearly knew that his analogy would be controversial because—in his taped interview given &lt;i&gt;before&lt;/i&gt; his actual speech was presented—he defended his civil rights analogy.  That shows an apparent attempt to be controversial to get news coverage.

However, what the take-away message of this matter should be is that when you are conducting a media campaign (with a high-profile speech, associated videotaped interview and press release) and you don’t own the media that will be reporting on that media campaign, you cannot ensure what the final message will be.  That is simply how it works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joseph, I can’t and won’t defend what the Fox news producer said on her blog about the Elder Oak&#8217;s speech.  News personnel (including news producers) should be reporting&#8211;not making&#8211;news.  </p>
<p>In interpreting my earlier post, you also stated:</p>
<p><i>“More likely you mean: `A clever report[er] would look for the most incendiary element of the speech that can then be pulled out of context for writing the newspaper article.  It’s a sure way to generate traffic!”&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Actually, Joseph, as I said earlier, the most newsworthy aspect of Elder Oak&#8217;s speech (at least to non-Mormons) was the civil-rights analogy.  Elder Oak clearly knew that his analogy would be controversial because—in his taped interview given <i>before</i> his actual speech was presented—he defended his civil rights analogy.  That shows an apparent attempt to be controversial to get news coverage.</p>
<p>However, what the take-away message of this matter should be is that when you are conducting a media campaign (with a high-profile speech, associated videotaped interview and press release) and you don’t own the media that will be reporting on that media campaign, you cannot ensure what the final message will be.  That is simply how it works.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 15:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting to read the venom spitting Fox 13 producer Monica Bielanko&#039;s blog posting. Obviously someone that got burned by the church that distrusts and hates anything coming out of it.  Not surprising really. Personally I&#039;d recommend counseling.  That kind of burning hatred isn&#039;t healthy.
Nevertheless, at least the Fox affiliate has some journalistic integrity.  The AP was given a pre-speech interview and still ran with ball to the opposite end zone.

&quot;&quot;A good reporter would look for the most newsworthy element of the speech in writing the newspaper article.&quot;&quot;
I guess that&#039;s one way of looking at it.  More likely you mean:
&quot;&quot;A clever report would look for the most incendiary element of the speech that can then be pulled out of context for writing the newspaper article. It&#039;s a sure way to generate traffic!&quot;&quot;

I mean honestly, what else does the AP have to run with here?  A story about God and love, and religious freedoms? Not sure any of that computes with the AP reporter.  The stuff about article VI and XIV of the constitution probably just confused him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting to read the venom spitting Fox 13 producer Monica Bielanko&#8217;s blog posting. Obviously someone that got burned by the church that distrusts and hates anything coming out of it.  Not surprising really. Personally I&#8217;d recommend counseling.  That kind of burning hatred isn&#8217;t healthy.<br />
Nevertheless, at least the Fox affiliate has some journalistic integrity.  The AP was given a pre-speech interview and still ran with ball to the opposite end zone.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;A good reporter would look for the most newsworthy element of the speech in writing the newspaper article.&#8221;"<br />
I guess that&#8217;s one way of looking at it.  More likely you mean:<br />
&#8220;&#8221;A clever report would look for the most incendiary element of the speech that can then be pulled out of context for writing the newspaper article. It&#8217;s a sure way to generate traffic!&#8221;"</p>
<p>I mean honestly, what else does the AP have to run with here?  A story about God and love, and religious freedoms? Not sure any of that computes with the AP reporter.  The stuff about article VI and XIV of the constitution probably just confused him.</p>
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		<title>By: Spence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 10:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My take from the fracas is that our very intelligent leaders are attempting as best they can to inoculate the conversation in front of findings from California investigative authorities. This is just a small breeze compared to the storm brewing on the horizon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My take from the fracas is that our very intelligent leaders are attempting as best they can to inoculate the conversation in front of findings from California investigative authorities. This is just a small breeze compared to the storm brewing on the horizon.</p>
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		<title>By: Javelin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Javelin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 05:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elder Oaks is to blame for including the analogy.  There was clear voter intimidation on both sides of Prop 8, and to imply that only one side received intimidation is ignorant.  

Since he mentioned that gay civil rights is alleged, it makes it fair game to go after any comments he makes in regards to his speech.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elder Oaks is to blame for including the analogy.  There was clear voter intimidation on both sides of Prop 8, and to imply that only one side received intimidation is ignorant.  </p>
<p>Since he mentioned that gay civil rights is alleged, it makes it fair game to go after any comments he makes in regards to his speech.</p>
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		<title>By: m&#38;m</title>
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		<dc:creator>m&#38;m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 05:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish it was only the A.P. with such a bias. These kinds of reactions have been rippling through the &#039;nacle as well. Sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish it was only the A.P. with such a bias. These kinds of reactions have been rippling through the &#8216;nacle as well. Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: David H. Sundwall</title>
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		<dc:creator>David H. Sundwall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen,

I&#039;m sorry if you thought I was saying that the Church didn&#039;t want any publicity.  As you clearly show, the Church clearly wanted and prepared for some attention from the media.  In fact the great lengths that you mention show that the Church did its best to control the message as best as it could.  

Obviously the A.P. went in a direction that the Church probably would not have preferred (as E. Oaks&#039; &lt;a href=&quot;http://asoftanswer.com/2009/10/14/why-elder-oaks-civil-rights-analogy-works/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Q&amp;A video broaching the civil-rights analogy&lt;/a&gt; shows) but that&#039;s not my really point here. 
 
From the tweets I&#039;ve followed to the City Weekly blog posts, many local reporters, including some within the Deseret News, believe it is censorship if the DN does not follow the A.P.&#039;s lead by making the story&#039;s hook focusing on the civil-rights controversy.  The D.N. played the story straight, not artificially forcing a controversy and allowing critics to have a platform to take swings at the Church.

Which is sort of unnecessary because a talk that discusses gay activists and the SSM debate should have been controversial enough.  And as it turns out, the DN did include a follow up story on that controversy: &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705337331/Gay-groups-disagree-with-Elder-Oaks.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gay groups disagree with Elder Oaks&lt;/a&gt;.&quot; 

I don&#039;t think that&#039;s censorship.  Furthermore, I don&#039;t understand the great suffering that the Fox news producer endured or why that should spur action to gather more &quot;horror stories&quot; of those who to deal with the Church P.A. folks.

It seems clear that they have their agenda and the Church has its own.  They can&#039;t seem to respect that but demand that the DN and perhaps even the Church play by their rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry if you thought I was saying that the Church didn&#8217;t want any publicity.  As you clearly show, the Church clearly wanted and prepared for some attention from the media.  In fact the great lengths that you mention show that the Church did its best to control the message as best as it could.  </p>
<p>Obviously the A.P. went in a direction that the Church probably would not have preferred (as E. Oaks&#8217; <a href="http://asoftanswer.com/2009/10/14/why-elder-oaks-civil-rights-analogy-works/" rel="nofollow">Q&#038;A video broaching the civil-rights analogy</a> shows) but that&#8217;s not my really point here. </p>
<p>From the tweets I&#8217;ve followed to the City Weekly blog posts, many local reporters, including some within the Deseret News, believe it is censorship if the DN does not follow the A.P.&#8217;s lead by making the story&#8217;s hook focusing on the civil-rights controversy.  The D.N. played the story straight, not artificially forcing a controversy and allowing critics to have a platform to take swings at the Church.</p>
<p>Which is sort of unnecessary because a talk that discusses gay activists and the SSM debate should have been controversial enough.  And as it turns out, the DN did include a follow up story on that controversy: &#8220;<a href="http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705337331/Gay-groups-disagree-with-Elder-Oaks.html" rel="nofollow">Gay groups disagree with Elder Oaks</a>.&#8221; </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s censorship.  Furthermore, I don&#8217;t understand the great suffering that the Fox news producer endured or why that should spur action to gather more &#8220;horror stories&#8221; of those who to deal with the Church P.A. folks.</p>
<p>It seems clear that they have their agenda and the Church has its own.  They can&#8217;t seem to respect that but demand that the DN and perhaps even the Church play by their rules.</p>
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		<title>By: Natasha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natasha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, I had the same thought about City Weekly: Nice blogging, guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, I had the same thought about City Weekly: Nice blogging, guys.</p>
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		<title>By: Natasha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natasha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen, 

The church is NOT complaining about the coverage.  I haven&#039;t heard the church issue any complaint.  And even so, it&#039;s not the coverage, it&#039;s the skewed, incorrect commentary within that coverage that&#039;s the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen, </p>
<p>The church is NOT complaining about the coverage.  I haven&#8217;t heard the church issue any complaint.  And even so, it&#8217;s not the coverage, it&#8217;s the skewed, incorrect commentary within that coverage that&#8217;s the problem.</p>
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